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Smiles



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:10 pm    Post subject: Wiring help needed Reply with quote

Hello,I have the electronics for a Kawai S-180, and the aren't wired up
so if anyone could get pictures of the guts of one or knows of a wiring
diagram of this particular model



any help is better than no help at all Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aw man... that guitar is super awesome.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try sending Twangster a PM. He knows a lot about these.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steven: it is one awesome guitar, but sadly i couldn't find one i could afford so i had to settle for just the guts Sad
Shattered: thanks, i'll do that
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi , welcome . I have a 180 , 170 & 160. ( 4, 3 & 2 pick ups) BTW Your pic is from my post on Jedistar . Very Happy

Is any of the harness still intact ( including switches and the pick up mounting plate )? If you haven't got the switches it's impossible to find exact new equivalents & the chrome plates are also very hard to find . Often the " reed" contacts in the switches are loose and don't hold the connection so a lot were replaced with toggles etc over the years because of that.

Those switches work on a "common " system, red is live ,black is neutral and blue is ground . Looking at the rear , the red goes to the left hand lug and black to the right hand lug on the "Off' side of each switch , grounds are soldered to the common ground strip on back of the switch. As you can see the red wire links the live connections between the two switch banks , the red wire leaving the pic on the extreme left is the live "out " which goes to the volume pot, the blue wire leaving on the top right is your ground . The two pots are then wired as a normal 1 vol 1 tone circuit. Wire colors can vary year to year.

If you need a rough drawing i could make one, of course if you don't have the switches, you could use any wiring config you like.

If you're going for the Hound dog Taylor " squonk " sound make sure you mount them in two banks of two like the real deal , that's a big part of the sound. You can see the spacing in the pic. (The 2 and 3 pup models just don't cut the Hound dog sound because of the different spacing.)


. Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you so much, i have been searching the internet and i have posted on multiple forums searching for help.

I have the original switches, actually i have 2 complete sets

and everything from the pickups to the switches is completely wired

it wasn't mounted when i purchased it they were just in a big mess of pickups and switches

I am not at all worried about finding the chrome plates because this project isn't a resto its a complete redo of a cheap guitar i had that i wanted to sound bluesier, so in due time i will be making a new pickguard to use in conjunction with the main one that holds the pickups

and a rough drawing would help so much

thanks again
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem , I'll PM you.

What little info on the HD Taylor / Kawai thing I have seen on line is usually all wrong.

I guess there's not many other folks out there crazy enough to get right inside these axes. Laughing .


here's a sound clip of my s180 , first track

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=1006322
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hardly found any info on this guitar at all, the other forums i tried were pretty dead or nobody had anything on this guitar

that clip makes me want to finish my guitar so bad
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smiles wrote:
i hardly found any info on this guitar at all, the other forums i tried were pretty dead or nobody had anything on this guitar


Not enough mojo for the Gear Page I guess .Very Happy I got into them simply through searching for the Hound sound , got hooked.
The thing his Kingston and Kawai axes had in common was the 4 pickups mounted in 2 pairs like this.

I'll PM a drawing asap & include measurements of the pick up layout, like I said it's the key to the sound.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats also the reason I got my pickups, I heard him play and I was like I want that tone

I don't need the measurements of the pickup layouts because i have the center pickguard that holds the pickups but thanks anyway


this is how it looks currently
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That should do it for ya! Are you thinking one vol / one tone? Is that Fender scale ? the bridge looks way far back.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah one vol and 1 tone, the guitar is a fender starcaster that was my first guitar

i put the bridge back there because i wanted to get it in and not have to deal with filling the trem hole

I'm going to put it together then wait til summer to do all the major body work
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smiles wrote:
yeah one vol and 1 tone, the guitar is a fender starcaster that was my first guitar

i put the bridge back there because i wanted to get it in and not have to deal with filling the trem hole


Umm, what is the scale length? It looks waaaaay off compared to your neck... Question
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

27.5"
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smiles wrote:
27.5"


Thats a 27.5'' scale length neck? Sorry if I sound like a jerk here but is the distance from the nut to the 12 fret the same as the distance from the 12th fret to the bridge saddles? It doesn't look like it is
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